Showing posts with label Our Own Square of Dirt. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Our Own Square of Dirt. Show all posts

Friday, May 1, 2009

Tepary Insanity


Oh no. We bought more seeds.

I read about the Tepary Bean, went to the ECHO seed site, and that was all she wrote. If "all she wrote" means I also "needed" an assortment of other equally-enticing seeds.

It's not as if we actually NEED more things to plant. There are no vacancies in Bucketville. But seeds, we buy.

(Thank goodness I'm not the only one out here so afflicted. This condition could be more contagious than the swine flu...)

As for the above picture, I have to get a good look at these before the heat kicks 'em hard. This is about the only time of year these vines look good, or at least that was the case last year.

None of them set fruit last year, so I'm thinking of trying my hand at my very first batch of pickles before too long just to road test the grape leaves...I remember my Grandma's dills having a clove of garlic and a grape leaf in each jar...mmm :) There is a little market nearby and they have a lot of cucumbers, but we aren't enough in the groove with timing and growing yet to have our own.
I think these guys will get harvested this weekend, and salads will abound! After they're feasted on, we'll plant something geared more toward the hot weather. The days now are quite hot, though there are some mild nights still...but there is still NO RAIN.


This is about the actual size of one of the friendly little lizards that are all over the place here.

When I first moved down here, they kind of freaked me out, but since they're not poisonous and don't bite, and DO eat prodigious quantities of crawly bugs, I've warmed to them. I love seeing them peeping out from leaves. They take giant leaps if they think we're too close, and the males show off for the gals by extending their throat flap, waving down their women and bobbing their heads.

Yeah, little guy, you're cool :)

I'm really excited that we may have solved our Floridians-Do-Not-Plant-For-Summer-Harvests dilemma. The weather here has extremes that do in a lot of hot weather crops that flourish elsewhere...maybe the non-winters, the extra parasites, the extremes of drought and monsoon?? Whatever the case, we've had to explore additional resources to find some that we hope will be up to the challenge. The ECHO global farm was a great place to nose around for those sorts of answers...here's an order we placed that I can't wait to try our hand at planting.

Some of these are dual-purpose plants, and all are supposed to be hardy and worthy of some kitchen and garden experimentation. Woo, happy!

To arrive soon, seed packets (as if we ever have enough):

Cranberry Hibiscus ---flowers, edible! leaves, edible!
Lima Bean- 'Pima Orange' -- can't wait to see if this one does well...gorgeous colored heirloom bean
Lima Bean-'7 Year' -- hullo, this is the Madagascar bean we've been looking for!
Malabar Spinach, Red -- they had this growing as a ground cover around other plants at ECHO, sort of a prostrate viney non-invasive plant, gorgeous red stems and green leaves
Okra-'Burgundy' -- who can resist more red?? :)
Papaya-'Red Lady' -- and even more red. A more dwarf type, though it is a hybrid
Pigeon Pea-'Vegetable' --we'll see if we can grow 'em, and if so, how we best can use 'em
Pumpkin, Tropical-'Brian' -- Again, I'm enamored with growing drought-tolerant plants. let's see if it'll make it
Tepary Bean -- Here's one I have high hopes for. They might weather the fluctuations better than our snaps and purple hulls, we'll see. They sounded vigorous and delicious in the preliminary reading I've done, and can be used as a green manure cover crop. I'll have to check but I think the leaves are edible. Don't take my word on that, I'm sleep deprived. Sleep deprived and with visions of seeds STILL dancing in my head.
Yardlong Bean 'Mix'-- we'll have to get some verticality going for these and the madagascars and a couple of the others listed above. So far we've done bush-type beans and we're dealing with poor soil, straight up wood shavings and horse poo, and a whole lot of weeds. Soil improvement is a labor of love and isn't an overnight phenomenon. Anyway, these look productive and they're beautiful. And take fewer square feet of terra firma
Hopefully some of these will grow enough to eat them and figure out what works well. It'll be fun trying :)

But for now, I've been up nearly 24 hours, so it's lights out for me.

The old gray mare, she ain't what she used to be. (But she's not out to pasture yet, either, ha!)

I hope your weekend is wonderful!
Shabbat shalom

Thursday, January 31, 2008

What You Do When You're Tired of Waiting To Move To Acreage

You figure and figure and figure, and while others are mailing off their seed orders or their fine live chicklet Murray McMurray hatchery orders, your stuff...the BIG STUFF THAT'S BEEN ON HOLD HOLDING AND HOLDING AND HOLDING...keeps on holding. So you get more daring in your simplicity.

Because you want to Get There.

Fast.

Much faster than it's feeling like right now.

Yes, you know you must plan and work and have patience and plan some more, and that things will unplug eventually, but you still search the craigslists and wonder and begin becoming the radical freakoid you worried you might one day become...at least in your mind. Or maybe it's more worrisome because you start thinking that thinking these things are less and less radically freakoid and actually are MORE SANE (which might be true).

Yes, we actually had a conversation today about how to live in a horse trailer. Oh not the sort of conversation that goes, "oh well, if we can't get there soon because of this or that, we could just park a horse trailer on the property and make coffee over a campfire (chucklechucklechuckle snortsnort!). No, there was an actual lengthy conversation along the lines of "well we could adapt a horse trailer to sleeping and have the bedding be removable so we could use it for animals later, and we could wire it for AC or electric if we had to, and you know my cousin knew somebodyortheother who used theirs in remote locations and threw down Navajo blankets over some built-ins and on the floor and you'd never know it wasn't a little camper" (and so on and so on).


And so went the off-road topic of living in a horse trailer.

Or a converted school bus.


Or a slide-in truck topper. Or a pop-up camper. Or a trailer-ish anything that could fit a bed. A gypsy caravan (we actually said those words, though covered wagon didn't come up).

No tent...too many snakes, panthers, wild tusked hogs and things that could eat you. No yurt, same reason, plus the wet. Something that could be plopped on location at will and lived in...either WHILE or UNTIL we build other things (yes, we have to say that, right, or we're one of THOSE PEOPLE who are just a little too nuts to read further? lol!)

Um, ok, we're taking things a bit too far...LOL


THIS from the girl who hates primitive campgrounds, spiders in the dark concrete block recesses of damp campground showerhouses, and bugs flying down her back or hair in any situation. Yes, I'm a contradiction in terms, my own conundrum, lol!

What I have right now is sort of like spring fever. When things are so close to happening you can almost taste it, and we're poised like a diver hovering over the water just before taking the big plunge. We want the plunge! When all our kindred spirits out there are gathering eggs, shoveling poop, starting seeds under grow lights, ripping old clothes into quilt squares or dustrags or homemade baby wipes, making goat's milk soap, building engines that consume only old Chinese restaurant cooking oil, finishing fantastic structures made of cordwood and wine bottles....our present "NORMAL" feels like being stuck in algebra class while everyone else is out having a snowball fight.

Someday our "NORMAL" will change. I'm having homestead spring fever. We're SOOOOOO CLOSE!

I type blog thingies and then read back over them and find them totally boring or complete rants, and then push the delete button. I tell myself that this stage is part of the whole process, just as important as if I were building the much anticipated chicken coop or buying our first sheep.

Ok, now the whining is winding down, for now :)

We're stalled in paperwork with one property that looks favorable, awaiting the dislodging of the clogged bureaucratic pipeline that seems interminable just now. The other property is subject to the vagaries of human scheduling, negotiation, and... more waiting.

I feel like the race horse stuck in the starting gate after the bell dings and all the other horses are galloping madly.

Or maybe I shouldn't use the horse analogy....it just brings back the possibility of the horse trailer allllllllll over again! LOL ;-)

OK, I'm heading off to read about black-belly sheep


and heritage breed chickens


and pastured poultry and the NAIS and staining concrete floors and Zone 9 fruit trees I'll order if I ever have a place to plant them, and rattlesnake pole beans, and barn cats and grazing cattle in woodlots....


Back later when I'm not a whiner and haven't said the word "horse trailer" for at least 24 hours, ha!

Reminder to Self: I have MUCH to be thankful for and God's timing is always perfect. And I'll be content. But still scribble lists and dog-ear seed catalogues ;-)

Photos from these sources:

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Tuesday, November 6, 2007

Earlyyyy Morning

The caffeine has not kicked in yet, but we're leaving now in the wee hours to have a day looking again for land far from the madding crowds. Let's see what the day brings...it's always fun to discover new places!

Thursday, October 25, 2007

Exploring Again: Property Hunt Road Trip Part I

The Hills Are Alive...with possibility!

We had another day together to drive and look at property. This one was a sight for sore eyes... I'm in love with this parcel, or what we know of it so far.

Whether the price'll be right will be the final determining factor....as it has been with the other ones that haven't panned out. I hold my breath, and sort of brace for disappointment, just in case...just my conditioning, though...I'm an optimist, but like to survive possible letdown -- (Me, I gots issues! lol) No complaints, though! When we finally ARE able to have and hold our own square of dirt, we'll appreciate it all the more.

This particular parcel happens to be a few lovely land-locked acres, Land-Locked meaning that the access road (I use that term loosely) cuts across several other properties. Here's a pic of the two tire tracks that are the "road"....some people's nightmare, but for me a dream come true! The best we could do today was to travel to the area and see what the surrounding topography looked like up close and personal, even though we didn't trespass and tromp unannounced through neighboring acreage. Oh for a pair of boots, a ponytail holder, and good long hike around the place!

The area is several hours farther north than where we now live, and farther north than the areas we've looked prior to now. The further northward we traveled, the more we were(or I should say I was) delighted to find a different mix of tree types and land features, namely hills and lakes...beautiful! J commented how much he loved it, too...it was just so different than the terrain where we live, which has its own different sort of beauty. Today we saw hardwoods mixed in with the familiar palmettos, but also field grasses and plants that don't grow further south. I must say I CRAVE seeing hills, water, and hardwoods! Pair all that with the nicely cooler temps we got thanks to the rains, and it was NEARLY as nice as Tennessee (grinning!)

Here are some views from the surrounding acreage...from the arial photos, the available parcel is much the same. Look at all that lush pasture! The trees are a mixture of evergreen and hardwoods.

Let's see what happens...there are a lot of other properties out there, too, or in surrounding counties. If this one works out, I'm READY for us to "stake our claim." If it doesn't, this one might merit a more lengthy pout, but I'll know there's another somewhere that's just right :)

That's the LAND part of the day.

The Togetherness part of the day had its moments, as some road trips will do. Next post has the gritty details...heh heh

Tuesday, September 25, 2007

Putting it off

I've been having very mixed emotions and have not been ready to type much about it, but time's gotten away and I'm needing to update here before yet another week has come and gone.

Painful subject, and not entirely wrapped up yet, but the 911 job is no more. It's a letdown and a relief, both, but such time and effort was invested that now it's a big adjustment to find the next step. This is new and I'm still adjusting to the change. And trying to be "grown up" about it all. In spite of myself, there have been tears and somewhat of a letdown.

And there has been a return Home and a savoring of any time I can have here, doing home things I've neglected in the past few months' crazy schedule. I am jealous for my time here...I love making those meals that take time, cost less, and gather everyone to the table for conversation. I've enjoyed reconnecting to my daughter and husband.

The job came to an end just before Rosh Hashanah, and again I found myself unprepared for the High Holy Days. We celebrated quietly with our family and some friends, but no services were in the works this year...not having known our availability due to jobs ahead of time, we made no reservations. A lame excuse, but that's been the case the past two years as well due to job transitions and the unavailability of time off. So...finding myself right at Rosh Hashanah AVAILABLE was new this year, and I really valued the timing of this job transition with the days just in between that and Yom Kippur, which began this past Friday night. The days preceding Yom Kippur are spent in reflection about the past year and about relationships, and are also a time to mend friendships and focus on forgiveness and renewal. On Yom Kippur, we "do business" with the Almighty, being open before Him about the things we've done wrong and determining with Him that we'll keep on the right path in the upcoming months. That's oversimplifying things, but it's a time of humility and recognition of His goodness in correcting us and protecting us.

The reflection came easy, and though I'm skipping over the specifics, the days prior to Yom Kipuur and then the day of Yom Kippur were each meaningful. There is a healing that comes from facing the past year's events, be it successes or failures, and laying it all out on the page (as such) and then gaining some perspective and focus for the days ahead.

Amid all the other emotions, there has been a consistent gratefulness I feel in how He's seen us through this past year, and a gratefulness for the blessings we enjoy on a daily basis. I SEE the bounty, and count every day with my husband and daughter as precious. I just don't take those for granted. We've had health challenges, job challenges, and have steadily kept on toward some of our overarching goals. We're not "there" yet, but despite some setbacks, we're making a real effort to get in shape, keep things simple, reduce our consumption materially, and get out of debt. And to appreciate the moment :)

An update about the land trading:
We did have a firm offer from an investor who has many many properties. He makes his living primarly by owner-financing tracts of land, 5 acres or more, to people who want to live on land that's mostly agricultural. He offers a zero down financing at about 9 or 10%, with the terms being that if the note cannot be maintained, the property reverts right back to him even Steven. He doesn't make his money selling land, but rather from the interest and from the lands being handed back to him during this nationwide housing and economic slump. When we first began talking to him only a couple months ago, there was only one property he had available to discuss with us about trading. Within a period of three or four weeks, he'd been handed back 5 or 6 more of his properties. People had put trailers on them, but couldnt afford to keep up the monthly notes on the land. So they handed the land back to him.

Since he can afford to just re-collect his properties this way, and has enough ready money to pay whatever taxes go along with it, he's in a bargaining position where he doesnt NEED our few vacant residential properties. So his offer to us was for ALL of them at a fraction of what they're worth...at least what they're worth IF properties around here were selling at all. Nothing around here is moving. So we offered to use the tax collector's office assessed value as at least a minimal marker of valuation. Essentially what he offered us was five acres of one of his less desirable properties at prime asking price (i.e. what he could have gotten for it two years ago during the boom) in exchange for J's 2 waterfront and 3 vacant residential lots at their CURRENT COMPS rate. Which is not just a slightly skewed bargain, but is rather a sell-out. We've gone to the table with him several times, but it boils down to the fact that it's to his advantage to be a shrewd businessman, whereas we're just trying to make an even swap. So thus far it's a no go.

More updates:
We've been gathering research on different acution properties in various counties, and this is where I'm able to help out by scouting the official records, tax assessors, and etc sites to help us narrow down any possible targets of interest. We went together for the first time to such an auction...my first time, at least. It was fun, and interesting. Most of the people who showed up knew each other already...they greeted each other by first names and chewed the fat a little prior to bidding time. The bidding process was writing your name on a yellow steno pad, converging on the front steps of the courthouse with other prospective bidders, and paying careful attention to the legal descriptions as the clerk read them aloud to open the bidding. The bids started with the opening bid, minimum bid being the back taxes owed on the property and going upward from there. In researching properties ahead of time, you have to be sure to look up the records and see if there are any outstanding liens, judgements, mortgages, etc...because those pass with the property to whomever is the winning bidder. So you really want to have done your research, because the point is to bid on a property that is unencumbered if the owner doesnt want to redeem it. It's more involved than that, but I'm just learning. My husband is very laid back and follows such things at an easy and steady pace, while for me it's a series of mini-adrenalin surges of possibility. We didn't bid at that auction, but stood back and learned. The bidding on the one property we might have bid on opened at the low opening amount, and two bidders went head-to-head till they reached their financial limit and one of them walked home 5 acres richer. A few back-and-forths, and it was already beyond our limited means just now. But the experience was fun :)

J has agreed that we can expand our geographical search area to include not only Florida, but also Alabama (at my repeated "suggesting" lol). He's since repealed that decision...arghhh :) He needs a hot weather zone for health reasons, and we need for some while longer to be no more than a day's drive to his mother, who is advanced in age.

I have a lot of research to do. I won't detail it here, but it involves gathering the necessary web links and phone numbers of the counties about which we may want to inquire, and compiling a contact list and deciding HOW we can go about trying to secure and acquire land. We both have the urge to find it quickly...enough to support a small flock of sheep and a few cattle, with room for garden and chickens...and us :)

I waffle between frustration that we're not there yet, and happiness that we've made progress in getting out of debt. There is light at the end of the tunnel. We'll just keep on pursuing different fronts of possibility, and hopefully one of them will work out before too long. We're praying during all this...we believe there's a good solution out there that God will help us toward as long as we're doing our part.

OK enough me me me, us us us.

We've reconnected to some folks we'd neglected in our busiest times, and it feels good to catch our breath and think about something and someone besides ourselves and our jobs. And it feels VERY good to be home while I can, and have this time with my hubby and daughter. And to cook homemade meals rather than resort to repeats of drive-through food.

Ricotta-stuffed pasta shells with garlic, chives, tomato sauce and spices and grated parmesan.
Crisp salads with fresh squeezed lemon.
Meatloaf, shredded steamed cabbage, mashed potatoes.
Shepherd's pie.
Beef and cabbage stew.
More fresh salad and lemon, and cucumber.
Hot mugs of tea.
Cold glasses of tea.
Unlimited glasses of cold water.
Beef tips, sauteed vidalia onions and mushrooms, gravy over basmati rice.
More salad. More lemons.
Glasses of cold milk.

I'm going to go with this cooking momentum and keep trying to keep the eating at home rather than out...as long as possible.

We're walking each day, and staying more faithful with maintaining good blood sugars and pressure. This is a GREAT thing!

What's next...maybe getting to a healthier weight?? :) (perk!)



Back later for more...


Thank you for your comments, and sorry again for the delays. The job development sucker-punched me, though I knew something would have to give. Just getting my sea-legs of optimism back in place...it takes me a little time to suck it up and be a big girl about these things sometimes :)


Shalom for now

Wednesday, August 29, 2007

Land Swap Update

Made a counter-offer for the five acres. J believes he shouldn't swap the whole enchilada, and the investor would be getting quite a lot. The hard part in this market is the valuation...if you trade for the land's currently competitive price, it's a different number than its actual worth, since nothing much around here is actually moving. We've found several 5 and above acre pieces for considerably less than what this man is asking, which is top dollar for his area. The only reason we couldn't pursue further with those lots is because the owners had notes on them that required payoffs, or they simply wanted a cash deal rather than a trade.

This most recent investor is a fellow with lots of land, since years ago he took larger acreages and started splitting them up for resale. He makes his money from offering zero down owner financing, and if the buyers at any point can't make the note (no matter how much of it they've paid off to him), they essentially just give him back the property.

A week ago, he had no properties available. Seven days later, he has seven that his buyers handed him back. What that's telling me is that no matter what he believes about the actual monetary worth of the land he's selling, people aren't being able to have it and afford it, too. It reverts back to him and all he has to do is pay the taxes till the next person who comes along decides they want to try the zero down deal, and so it goes.

Since we're having to consider what J's vacant residential lots would be worth not only on today's market, but also an average of its actual worth over the longer term (prices spiked and dropped several times in the past years), he's not willing to take the lowest valuation if the other trader isnt using the same valuation for the acreage. This man is valuing it at what he could get in a year or two, if he left it on the market long enough...because he can afford to....his money comes from the interest on all his present buyers' notes they owe him. But he's wanting to trade at OUR lots' least possible MLS comparison price. He comes out ahead, which is fine either way by us, as long as we're not doing something stupid. So far, J thinks that lowballing it isnt wise, and that his two waterfront lots have a lasting value despite the market vagaries.

And so we keep researching (well, mainly he does :)), and wait to see what the next day brings.

Like today.

I have my final exam today. Must run!

Tuesday, August 28, 2007

Working Together

It's been really fun, the few times our days off have intersected with each other, to spend time as a couple. I've been contemplating how different my life would be were I still single and trying to do any of this on my own. That's what I was having to do not that many years ago, and sometimes it's still an adjustment merging the particulars...a welcome adjustment, I'd have to say.

You Gotta Love a Man Who Can Fix Things

I daily am more appreciative that J has the skills he does. He loves to tinker, and can build or fix pretty much anything. He's also had a lot of years of trial and error, and has some well-defined ideas of what mistakes he doesn't want to repeat...and of successes he'd love to duplicate. He's also a good financial manager overall. He's determined that the risk factors, especially at where we are in our lives now, should be given a long, hard look.

I'm learning that much of what we're calling Homesteading is really living in a way that is best for us and being good stewards. We have a developing mental picture of some ultimate goals, as we're now in the thick of the preparations. Many of our "wants" have had to bow to the reality of their practicality.

Preference and Practicality

I love older houses and the craftsmanship of their construction. My sister lives in a turn-of-the-century house in Illinois, the lovely old white sort with wraparound porches. Beautiful! Those houses speak to me, and I love the sound of feet on a wood floor, the older craftsmanship, the surprises you find in a house with a history.

I love wood. I love a wide variety of animals and used to dream of raising horses. I love being at home, being a homemaker. I love large acreages where a person doesnt feel crowded and you don't see houses next door.

We've begun merging our preferences with practicalities, and so for us, renovating on a large scale is at the low end of our wish list, though we'd absolutely love it. We simply don't forsee the finances. For my husband, that is also the case with wood floors. Florida meltdowns and humidity make wood a Welcome Home sign for insects, especially termites. That's why he prefers tile for interior floors, and concrete block or stemwall designs for the structure itself, finished out with "knockdown" textured stucco. That's what he incorporated in our present home...concrete block with a knockdown finish stucco and clay-toned cement barrel tile roofing -- 18" ceramic matte finish tile for the flooring throughout. I have no complaints, with the only precaution being that unseen spills can make for a hydroplane tailbone-cracking experience. :)

We're finding that the house plans we've sketched during all this process have morphed. At times it was plans for a large house, and then started becoming smaller. Charmed by what I found in the Tiny House movement to smaller, customized dwellings, we drew plans for the more diminuitive of liveable structures -- hardly more than a garden shed in size. It's interesting seeing how we're shifting over time. Recently, we discussed the use of steel shipping boxes as a possiblity for incorporating as part of the underlying structure of an expandable design, since they come in widths of 8 1/2 feet. Then J began thinking about modules that could be constructed over time, in sequence, for expansion. We've run the gamut.

Here's what we're thinking at the moment:

An Evolving Plan

If we can trade for acreage, we want a structure that we're not wasting our money on, that's easy to build, that can be built quickly, and economically. It needs to be expandable.

As we're thinking presently, this is the proposed sequence after acquiring the land:
A. fence the property with a perimeter fence
B. build the first structure, the size of a guest cottage, which will serve as our "camp" as we improve the property, build animal shelters, put in our first garden, etc.
C. start very small with animals and build from there, in stages, seeing what works for us best and which animals we find we really want to continue expanding the numbers of and which ones we don't want to
D. living for a time, during the transition, "half in and half out," meaning that we'll keep our residence we're in now, pay only cash for the above, and do the actual building of the small guest house (with kitchenette and loft) by hand or partially sub some of it out -- taking it in stages. See HOUSE, below. It's surprising just how useable a small square footage can be if designed that way.
E. Once we're "set" on the land, with the structure built, we'll find a way to transition and sell our present home.

F. Start with animals and plants we can use to begin substituting for our present grocery bills. Make things ourselves. Starting simple, with the goal being to try raising things that are going to help us be self-sufficient. This means we may not focus on a specialized breed at the beginning, if it's not obtainable locally or requires risky investment. And we want to focus on the right number and types of animals for the specific property. We can fine tune that over time to include our ideal breeds of animals and bloodlines, etc. First, we probably need our learning curve, and to do it in stages slowly. For instance, we may decided we want dairy and meat, but we don't know right now whether that would be a goat, a cow, or something else better suited for bartering with another local farm. We'd try our hand at two or three sheep rather than setting up for a larger herd. We want to discover which we love to work with ourselves, and which we'd rather admire at a distance.

The House
As stated above, one idea begins with constructing a very small guest house (1 bedroom with loft for more sleeping room if needed)and kitchenette, which would be used later as a guest house (duh :)) or mother-in-law wing, or for a farm-sitter to live in if we traveled for any length of time.

That could be expanded from by way of a short enclosed dogtrot (sun porch) connected to a common room-- a really big room that's essentially a simple square or rectangle and big enough to have a lot of people in, or to use as a dual purpose living room/kitchen. The main gathering room, a place several people can work on a canning project together, or other big projects, for gatherings, Bible studies, sleeping a bunch of kids in sleeping bags for sleepovers, etc. Tables could be set up or taken down in it, or it can just be arranged into a great family room.

A third expansion step would be to expand from that room with another enclosed dogtrot (connecting porch) connecting to a third structure, which houses a master bedroom/bath, large closets, loft office, and sitting room/library (a quiet nook to knit or read or talk together privately); essentially a little bigger structure than the guest house, but with no kitchette. Still very easy to build.

The buildings could be arranged according to their best site advantage on the property.

If we don't go that route, and opt for an all-in-one house, we have a second design better suited to doing passive solar, though anything we build, J will try to incorporate sustainable and economizing materials and means.

The Properties in Discussion

There are two properties now on the board. One is five acres of mostly pasture with a crescent of trees toward the rear of the property, and it's already fenced for cattle. There are neighbors on every side, some with a lot of collected clutter (I dont mean tools and tractors and such...just...clutter). Across the street are two very unique houses...one still under construction, approximating an unfinished, castle with a metal roof, complete with moat and mounds of fill dirt from where the moat was dug, and the other a recreation of a beach retreat (there's no beach nearby) with holes dug around the property and boardwalks suspended over them.

Since the neighbors are probably lovely and fascinating, my only concern at present is if we'd ever be able to resell the property for what it's worth if we found ourselves having to at any future point. Not that we're buying anything at this point for its resale value. I think the Tennessee girl in me wants pristine vistas of views, and I'm very spoiled to rolling hills and mountains. It would just be a minor adjustment, I think. The road is a dirt road, which I love. The front edge of the property has a wet-weather (sort of) creek thick with some mature hardwoods, brush, and thigh-high ferns...I really liked that.

There was a separate 10 acre parcel that I was more interested in, which is mostly pasture, but has two ponds. I did actually tell J he ought to offer to swap everything for that one. There is another man from out of the country who owns five and ten acres in the next county, and his land is all wooded. That would be a whole new set of considerations. So we're praying for wisdom and one of these opportunities to become a reality. In the meantime, I'm so busy at my job that I don't have much time to fret and worry over any of it. But it will be a red letter day the day I can type right here "the land is ours!" (which calls to mind the native american realization that no land belongs to us, but it's under our stewardship)...ah well, you know what I mean, though. I can't wait to make this step!

The Town Nearby the Potential Properties

I love the little town it's in. Though the views overall are unspectacular (in comparison), the area is smalltown, which I LOVE. The drive in was of a lot of big agriculture such as orange groves, berry, tomato, and potato farms, but there were also smaller farms with signs reading "Eat Local!" and such. There are some really big holdings of hundreds of acres, mostly vacant in places except for Beefmaster cattle. There are also many smaller farms tucked here and there. It has all the small town features I grew up with in Mississippi...the single grocery store, hardware store, a junk store (perk!), and a few others...few and far between...and a real one-room (ok, it's really five rooms) school house still in operation. There was a five acre vineyard not far from it, a sand hill crane sanctuary, phosphate mine at the perimeter, butterfly farm (how cool is that?), and local folks raising cattle, horses, and minature goats.
And at this point, I'm resisting the urge to beg J to just give all his remaining handful of vacant residential lots, waterfronts included, to this man so we can GET THERE and have our land. Only that's really impulsive, he's much smarter in real estate over the long term than I am, and I have confidence that our prayers won't be in vain. We'll BOTH have a good feeling about the acreage when it comes.


Debt-Busting Progress

He thinks we can retire it within a year. R's nursing school expenses, my used car purchase and repairs, and the commute gasoline costs offset the increase in our profits since I've had this sheriff's department job. However, there is a momentum that has built from the efforts we're all making. It does feel like we're making some forward progress. I'm making "thermometer" charts so we can visibly see the debts going down each paycheck as we eat away at paying them off entirely. It's good that this all will be a process, because R still needs to live at home until she's well into her second leg of becoming an RN. She's finishing the LPN first. I never had parents available to help me over the financial bumps between high school and college and beyond. I vowed I'd not leave my child stranded and without some direction if she wants to make the most of that, so even her schooling has been a group effort. We pay for her transportation an hour away to the daily clinicals and labs, and each of us puts in 12 to 14 hour days before we arrive safetly back home. I have no complaints...I just hope I have staying power...lol!


The Blog

(Sigh...) I just havent been here very much. But I try to update as I can. I STILL have to do that promised blogroll, give honor to others and thank Phelan and Wilma for their inclusion of this site for two blog-buddy awards. I'd like to know how to make the blog graphically more attractive, especially with a customized header...you know, the sort with photos and a decent font. And I'd love to get a camera and take pictures to add to the journal entries to add visual chronicling, too.

Ah, what would life be like without all the To-Do lists??


I'm going to knock out some household chores and grocery shopping, and maybe I'll be back later today to give more attention here and catch up with emails. Life's exciting and busy, but not much fun without clean clothes and some occasional homecooking...ha!

Sayonara till Soon, hopefully :)

Thursday, March 15, 2007

A Somewhat Update

OK, I'll demystify the mystery of some of the recent happenings. They have everything to do with timing and possibility. Some of it could happen, or all, or none. It's exciting, nonetheless!

We may have a chance to acquire a 3 acre property with existing house only a mile from here, yet in the agricultural-zoned section. It's not as much land as we might find hours and hours away, but we may not at this time be positioned circumstantially to relocate hours and hours away, due to my daughter's college and housing plans and our job limbo.

This is truly a long-shot, and I may elaborate on some of the really wonderful details related to how it opened up and brought us to this point, but for brevity, and till we see how it all is resolved, I'll just keep this shorter.

The house is somewhat of a fixer-upper, but seems (at this point of inspection) to have "good bones." IF this works out to be a viable possibility to acquire (I keep saying IF and holding my breath!), here are some of the pros and cons:

Cons first :)

1. It's much too close to the road. I'm not sure why the original owners did this, but if you have a property that size, you'd think you'd situate things aesthetically where you'd have either privacy or a bang-up view of your property.

2. It's not my ultimate taste in style. But that rates lower as a factor than many other factors.

3. The interior has been updated, but, again, not-so-tastefully or skillfully. But certainly not awfully. Again, this ranks much lower on my list of determining factors.

4. It would require some repairs and a lot of customization to be useful for our intentions.

5. I am leary of the unknowns of an older home. Though many things have been replaced over the years, there's still always the unknown. Which, as we all know, usually happen just after closing day :)

6. The house is not on built-up land. My husband has built homes in the past on lots he added a lot of fill to in order to be considerably higher than the lowest points of the properties, in case of heavy rains or flooding. This is, after all, Florida.

7. Creepy crawlies and varmints indoors. Exterminator is a must. Nuff said.


OK, now the Pros

1. The house has a very workable floor plan and an amazingly wonderful kitchen design. (That's about all that can be said as a compliment about the kitchen. The cabinets are atrocious, but that's addressable.) The bedrooms are well-situated, large, plenty of light, and the bathrooms are surprisingly pleasant. The MBR walk-in closet is seriously as large as a small bedroom. My husband was happy about that. He has a thing for having plenty of closet space.

2. After the initial inspection by my husband, who is darned good at so many mechanical and construction-related things, he didn't seem to think there was any issue with the electric and other systems to warrant immediately dismissing this house as a possibility. The roof is in great condition. If this looks like it might happen for real, J will go all through the house and attic with a fine-toothed comb and get down to the nitty gritty of what we'd be looking at and if it would be worth tackling, or if it would be a money trap. We'll avoid the latter, no matter how attached we are to the property otherwise.

3. Half the property is an already functional pasture. There is quite a bit of existing fencing on the property. The other half of the property is virgin Florida woodland...beautiful and quite wild. The immediate back of the house is fenced in, which would do well if we began with that and then transitioned a step at a time to tackling the projects that would best utilize the space and land.

4. It's an attractive property and easy to access.

5. It's bordered by large properties that won't be subdivided and that are well-managed.

6. It is rural, though it's only a mile from the section of town that has become zoned residential. It is already zoned agricultural, and all the surrounding properties are, too.

7. The road dead ends onto an adjoining road that borders (for miles) an extended Natural Preserve. Nothing will EVER be built there, and it's separated by a very large ditch (er, man-made creek?) the whole length of that boundary road, with a large grassy swath between ditch and road. On the other side of the creek/ditch is the Preserve, and it's stunning. The ditch is stunning, too. It's overflowing with wildlife, as are the woods on all those agricultural properties. I love to drive there to relax, as there's no traffic and it's secluded and goes for miles. The ditch is always full of water, so it's really more of a creek, and the far bank slopes upward to higher ground. Simply driving along there and taking in its beauty, on any given day you can see hawks, eagles, clusters of turtles sunning themselves on the far banks, alligators (also on the far bank), deer, wild turkeys, great egrets, snowy egrets, whole flocks of ibis, an occasional pair of sandhill cranes, great blue herons, little blue herons, night herons, or wild boar. There are panthers and bobcats that live there, but I've only seen the bobcats so far, and for now that's fine by me :) Anyway, with THAT only a quarter mile down the road, WHO could complain?

8. We could immediately put a couple heads of livestock on the property.

9. We could have, on a small scale, nearly any animal we wanted. We'd prefer a combination of small livestock with multiple uses.

10. We could raised-bed garden and do anything horticulturally that we wanted to our heart's content...big enough to have plenty and intensive farm, small enough to hopefully be manageable for two eager amateurs.

11. This is not a development, so there are no restrictions or subdivisions or covenants. We could have a chicken tractor without the neighbors reporting us to the Chicken Police. We could put a shed anywhere we wanted to without someone else's permission. We could paint our house fuschia with big polka dots, (we won't! lol), and no one could do anything about it except egg our mailbox as they drive by.

12. I could decorate and we could renovate the house to reflect our personal needs and tastes without worrying about keeping everything in beige neutrals for selling to somebody else "someday." Hopefully there will be no more moves. We want to nest...and tackle so many projects. "Some day" would be "now" instead of "later." Boy, would THAT be nice!

13. It would financially be REALLY GOOD for us tax-wise.

14. The property would never decline in value. There is no more land left in this area. It's one of the few remaining acreages. And it's secluded in the middle of larger surrounding acreages.

15. It has not been slash-cleared. The ORIGINAL topsoil, etc., is right there. Any clearing we'd do would be extremely minimal and only for the purpose of having just enough room to maintain the fencing around the boundary. Just as importantly, the surrounding properties in the area have not been slash-cleared either...it's virgin original woodlands, not replanted trees. Trees here, unless original, don't usually get very big, except maybe for some pines and cypress. Hardwoods are even rarer, and the mass development of Florida has rendered entire areas just flat and flatter and devoid of original vegetation. Don't even get me started, but seeing original trees with spanish moss, and whole thick stands of palmetto and laurel oak really is refreshing. The woods are THICK all in that area, for miles. Rare, rare, rare!

16. I've always hoped for a property with both pasture and woods. The sorts of animals we'd like to have would benefit by both and would benefit both.

17. We could begin so many things we've been waiting on, and be that much closer to some of our goals that would immediately impact our health and finances. We really want to replace our store-bought foods with homegrown ones. We need healthwise the benefits of the work and the better choice of organic foods. It would be economical to grow these and invest our time that way. I can have livestock that is not allowed where we now live.

18. It would be easy to transition from where we are now to that location, since it is nearby. No moving expenses besides maybe a truck for half a day.

19. Less disruptive move than elsewhere. Same distance to jobs and school, and accessibility to in-town thingies when needed.

20. We wouldnt have to move again. That, plus the permanence factor of not having to "wait" for some indeterminate future for this or that would relieve a HUGE amount of stress.

21. All this could be done in such a way as to be debt-free. We'd pay for any improvements out of pocket. THERE WOULD BE NO MORTGAGE. That is HUGE in our book!!


We're doing the legwork, remaining open to other opportunities, and trying to stay on course with our efforts such as erasing debt. The long and short of this is that we've done what we can to this point, and the decision is out of our hands till the next step, if there is a next step. That's a HUGE "if." We're very much in prayer about this. We believe that God will keep us on the right path, and it's up to Him if this is a part of that. If this doesnt work out, we'll know there's a really good reason, and keep on trucking. :)

It's exciting to have possibilities! Shall keep the updates coming, as they unfold...

Tuesday, March 13, 2007

My Head it is A-Spinning

Brief type-and-run...!

Ever had several unexpected opportunities dangle as possibilities right in front of your nose all at the same time, yet not know how ANY of them will turn out...or IF they will at all?

That's our experience right now since the past three days of on-the-road property hunting, long coversation while on the road, tromping around all kinds of acreage (my favorite part!) and scribbling endless ideas and contact information down on odd scraps of paper? There's been an intriguing development, and the day yesterday was not over till late when we arrived hom, and then it still wasnt over.

I can't tell the details yet! We did stop at several points yesterday in our travels, and just pray together for direction and open doors...and closed ones. Usually we have no problem having closed doors ;-) AFTER we got home, we had something nearly fall into our lap...MAYBE. Now we're scrambling to see if this could possibly work (we won't do anything hare-brained)...it's all very breath-taking!

I'll come back here and post the outcome, as soon as this episode has a pause. Whew! let's see what happens!!

Me <----quite happy for the change of possibilities ahead!

Later!! :)

Monday, March 12, 2007

J's Second Thoughts about Power Lines

This post follows the post about having gone again to do some property-hunting.

After having slept on the idea of purchasing land with high-voltage power lines on the boundary line, he's really leary of risking our potential health. He said because our whole direction is to have everything as pure and natural as is possible for us to buy, and since we're going the organic route, etc., he has a lot of doubts about the unresolved question of whether high-power lines would be undoing our aspirations and risking our health or our animals'.

That's just a quickie update...and now we're heading out to scope another sector of the map. :) More later!

Sunday's Land Search Update

Yesterday we

1. Drove to the lot we'd like to sell/exchange and did some calling around to see recent sales activity on nearby lots in order to have a comparison. The lot would have sold for about twice what it will right now, which was what we expected, but you still don't like to hear it. The other bit of news is that although those lots, being waterfront, will one day be prime, since they're not very developed out in that area right now (I'd call that a plus!), they're not really selling quickly. About four lots on the same street have been sitting there for sale for a year and a half.

Another property has been built on, and the house is nearing completion. We walked his property line back to the waterfront, and it's simply beautiful. It's still wild out there, and it's like something out of National Geographic. It has Gulf access, but can't accomodate tall boats, since there's only 6' clearance, a small bridge, I believe. I'd LOVE to live there, but there are already restrictions, such as no agriculture or livestock. It's going to be posh there someday. We need to sell it so we can get some useable land...that was still our conclusion.


2. I was bummed because it doesn't appear we'll be able to sell the lot quickly or for the best price...yet. I'm trying to get over being bummed about this.


3. We drove to some of the further outlying areas to check out some of the properties the realtor had sent us MLS print-outs about. We noodled around one property a good bit of the afternoon, since it was an adventure! The MLS listing had the road name with three question marks following it...heheh...and the directions were something along the lines of "turn down so-and-so road and follow the paved road X amount of miles till it becomes a dirt road. Continue on the dirt road X miles until you come to so-and-so, and it will be on your left." It described the property as being an old orchard (realtor-speak for "what's left of an old dead orange grove") on 10 acres.

What we could find of it had its pluses and minuses. A plus was the progression of signs, handmade, announcing the proximity to a Goat Farm. As we passed the Goat Farm, it was plastered with For Sale signs, and was located under (exactly underneath) a series of unavoidably predominant high voltage power lines. These sort are on realllllly tall concrete poles rather than those Eiffel tower sort, but they're huge and incongruent with the pleasant country views.

We drove down the road, ticking off the mileage count, and ended up at...no road anywhere. (FUN...I was having more fun by the minute, lol...I love getting lost on back roads!) There were active orange groves all along our route driving in, to the left. In fact, some of the orange tree limbs were brushing the sides of our truck, and we literally reached out the window and nabbed a couple for a sweet treat. We ended up in a barren field with a single tree and a bunch of bee hives. We sat there for a bit with the windows rolled down, listening to the bees and watching their orchard patrol. I love bees!

The only place remotely fitting the pictures and descriptions on our MLS sheet was straight ahead through the bare field. There was one path, and we eased the truck down it. It didnt take long to realize there were sheer dropoffs on either side, to what appeared to be Pure D Swamp. Eeek! We backed out by J getting out of the truck every so often, gauging where the tires should go, and easing it in reverse all the way back. We got out and walked it, and decided it did NOT fit the description...it was a hidden wetland with birds that were exquisite. We heard a lot of bigger animal sort of rustlings in the brush, and since we'd seen two huge wild boars off the main road on the way in, we decided that the truck was a safer conveyance at that point.

We nearly gave up on finding the right place at all, but then again, that adds to the fun even more! On our way out, back to the highway again, we passed a man riding a four wheeler just in front of the goat farm. We asked him a few questions and he scratched his head at our directions, and then had a lightbulb moment and said "Oh! you mean that back property. Well, where the dirt road ends, you have to just drive straight between the power line poles all the way back till you get to a gate and you'll see the property right THERE."

And so tomorrow, we'll do just that (or at least TRY) ;-) (I can't wait!)



4. We have no idea how we'll manage to get from having a few non agricultural lots to having any sort of agricultural property, since in most of our tooling around today, with the exception of the orange grove adventure, all the for sale signs we called about were for properties with enormously-out-of-range prices. Ridiculous, in fact. If I had that much money, I'd be buying an entire county somewhere in the Deep South or Midwest. Ah well... We did conversational gymnastics brainstorming for all sorts of ideas. We still havent come up with much yet.

But hope burns (and burns and burns) eternal...



5. I came home and had a little weep. Yes, it sounds like I'm a complete wimp, but I'm not, at least not completely. Only a few years ago, I'd put money down on 10 acres in Missouri outside of a small town I loved, and it was a fraction of what it costs here just to breathe air. Then I met my hubby, and here we are...in Florida, and I didnt buy the Missouri land. I love so many things about this state, most especially my husband (who has to stay here) but I simply hate the inflated prices of so many things, especially land. In the areas rural to where we live, you're incredibly lucky if you can find 5 acres for $125,000 way out in the boonies, and not very desirable land. You contend with disclosure issues such as whether a property is in a flood zone or has environmental restrictions, blah blah blah.

Yeah, I know, wah wah wah...grow up already :) I do get homesick for those rolling hills, creeks, woods, and Tennessee sights...that's just normal after having lived there most of my life :) so I had my little pity party and then got over myself...


6. Oh yes, and we took pictures of something we saw on our drive yesterday...something J wants to build if we ever have need of it. A large covered pole-type shed (the sort with no sides, but just columns and a huge roof to cover everything.) Except he has nurtured the idea of having the poles be concrete rather than wood or metal.

What do you know, there in the middle of nowhere today was just such a shed, and the man had constructed the poles from column forms into which you pour concrete. It was about 17 1/2 feet high from the concrete poured pad foundation to the bottom edge of the trusses, which were anchored (or whatever you call those metal plate thingies that steady everything) about every 18 inches. J had his moment, and he was gleeful when the owner, who was relaxing nearby, engaged him in an enthusiastic conversation all about the details. I was shown every exciting detail, and I enjoyed watching the two men talking about this so animately, which was the actual fun part for me. Yes, we took snapshots.


7. Oh yes...and Pole Shed Dude asked what we'd like to do with acreage if we were able to buy any (after he regaled us with tales of how expensive they all are). We said we'd like to put some small animals on it and have an organic garden. He tried to discourage us from having any sort of livestock, and cited examples of farmers overgrazing small properties with too many cattle, and then went on to describe out expensive it would be for us to grain feed the cattle. I told him we wanted to do only organic, and he said "where do you think you'll get organic feed or hay around HERE? I don't know of ANYwhere in Florida you can get THAT."

Well, hmmm. Note to self to research that, too. If we kept things very small as far as numbers of animals, and did a really healthy soil and cover crop/grass management/rotation, would we really be that dependent on additional feeds?

When we told him we're not sure what types of animals we want, but we know we'd like chicken, and any other animals would have to be smaller variety livestock, he poo poohed the idea of grass fed anything, and told us grass fed animals have awful tasting meat, especially cows. I told him that if we got 5 acres, surely that would be enough to have two or three Dexter cattle, or perhaps a few sheep or goats, he then described to my husband how he used to process his own animals "back in the day" and it grossed him out so badly that he doesn't even have animals any more.

We were all chuckling...he was a nice man. We teased him and mentioned you don't have to eat chickens to eat their eggs, and goats and cows give great milk. I told him I'm fainthearted about chopping off chicken heads (and I may just keep hens for the eggs, I don't know yet), but if any processing gets done, J gets to be the henchman, and I'm the cook. His eyes were already glazed over with disinterest in Anything Agriculture, and he sat there happily admiring his powerboat. I'll have to agree with him that in the absence of anything to farm, fishing is an awful lot of fun :)


8. Then I came home and looked up the pros and con arguments online about power line proximity, orange grove soil acidity and cover crops (couldnt find anything about whether animals can forage old groves or if the acidity would be bad for them?). I still need to do research about the retention of sprayed chemicals in soil and water tables in those areas, but I'm not sure where to find real facts on that. We want to do only organic, but would be be getting constantly contaminated from surrounding orchard spraying and runoff, not to mention the years of accumulated chemicals in the soil and water? Even if it doesnt apply to our situation and this grove, judging from the MLS listings, some old defunct groves are more affordable finds financially than standard acreage, probably because they need a lot of work. Any facts we find out now will only help us down the road with making better-informed decisions and having fewer regrets, hopefully.

8. I need to research the possibility of straight property exchanges. I nothing whatsoever about them. If anyone's had experience, good or bad, with that, I'd love to hear your advice on this...and on any of the above issues!


OK, must rest so we can gallavant one more day (later this morning). R doesnt have school and is going to the beach with friends. Yesterday she laid out for a bit, mowed a bit of the yard (her weekly contribution), worked a half day, and went bowling during the evening with her gang of friends (all of whom are really great and I like). Today she gets to play...I think they're all going to the beach together. And THAT is surely one of the perks of living in Florida! :)

Nuff for now...update after another day's outing! Let's see if we can find that property...it'll be fun trying again. And there are a ton of other listings we want to peek at. We need to get to know the area and see what's what, and somehow just seeing it on a map isnt quite the same.

More later!

Saturday, March 10, 2007

Hopes, and Researching Sales Values

Hopefully, tomorrow we can drive to J's property he's hoping might be useful in doing a 1031 exchange so we can expedite a move outside the city limits.

According to him, first we need to figure out how much we might get for his existing lot in order to determine how much we'll be working with. There is a realtor who knows the vacant properties in a certain area, and she's sending us listings of ones we're guesstimating might be in our range....IF.

IF we can get what's necessary price-wise from the sale of our lot. The real estate demand here suffered greatly in the past year (I'm sure that's the case many other areas of the country, too) since the two prior bad hurricane seasons. I'm not sure they're selling at all right now, or anywhere near what we could have gotten had we tried to sell at that time.

But we're hopefully going to drive out there and see what's been built and sold since we were there a few months ago. It's a waterfront property, so at some point, it should sell. We're not sure if that time frame will be soon, or years down the road. But here's hoping it might be sooner than later.

We'll go do our legwork, and then see what opportunities might be available. Here's hoping! :)